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Making a tulpa is very literally fake it until you literally make it. Pretend you have a tulpa until the tulpa becomes a thing. Gaslight yourself queen. (edited)

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the #2 was all passive for us, but doing it actively (eg creating the thought intentionally, attributing it to them) works too, yeah

Ever done roleplaying or know what it is? Do that and keep doing that and the responses will eventually become quicker and feel less in your control.

1:59 AM

Never done roleplaying? Then imagine any time you ever made up a fake conversation with someone. Surely you’ve had fake arguments with people in the shower

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oh, yeah, great point--if you've ever argued with someone in your head, the "directed thoughts" at an imagined person are exactly how talking to a tulpa works

Say stuff, get random shit back from your brain making shit up in order to bend to this new concept you are trying to introduce. Pick out from that random garbage which one sounds good for your tulpa and say that was them.

Switching is just as easy as roleplaying for us, actually

berockly (TTG)

Switching is just as easy as roleplaying for us, actually

And works in essentially the same way

berockly (TTG)

Switching is just as easy as roleplaying for us, actually

I totally accidentally would switch while doing roleplays for my “characters” to write their responses. (I accidentally made 2 tulpas and they were already pretty much fully developed before I even knew what a tulpa was. My experience is an outlier and isn’t typically comparable to other people who are making tulpas intentionally) (edited)

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it isn't hard at all, it just takes consistency :) doing it every day, for as long as you can every day (even if you're not doing much, acknowledging the tulpa is there helps), is how you progress

I mean, i just always assumed you had to be in the state of mind as the character to rp

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Not like mentally become the character

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But like, yk?

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"Do" from it

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In any case, switching and roleplaying are the same process for us

you gaslight the void into responding

berockly (TTG)

In any case, switching and roleplaying are the same process for us

I haven’t thought about it like that but you are totally right. Getting into the mind of a character to write a roleplay post is pretty much exactly the same as switching. It’s just that once I finish the post the switch ends

Rusty

I haven’t thought about it like that but you are totally right. Getting into the mind of a character to write a roleplay post is pretty much exactly the same as switching. It’s just that once I finish the post the switch ends

Its why we can each have multiple separate conversations going on, assuming we remember to respond to each of them

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you can have nothing or something in mind, either one works

Like, lynn is talking to someone in dms rn

I know I deviated some--I am a lot sillier than Blank intended for me to be :)

While im talking here

Appearance doesn’t really matter. Some people just imagine a floating little ball of light. If you are good at visualizing you could think of literally anything that can show emotion. We don’t usually use forms to communicate but those who use visualization could use it to help with vocality

but my form has been consistent since I started

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but form isn't really important, yeah

2:06 AM

most of the time I'm talking there isn't like. active imagination about what I look like

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that's reserved for active sessions together

My head is full of god damn Sans undertale skeletons. It doesn’t matter and shouldn’t affect who the tulpa is as a person

imposition used to be persistent and 24/7, but that is a skill that takes a LOT of maintenance

My head is full of anime video game men, it is what it is.

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I happen to be one of these accursed beings.

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exactamundo! And deviation may or may not happen, but it's best to accept it if it does happen

Forms can change to, they don’t mean anything. For us appearance is just for fun. Basically just another form of a fursona.

Advanced fursona...

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yes! that is the exact phrase i would use to describe it in a nutshell to people who are stressing about it actually

Yeah, we have a few people who shapeshift every so often

My form changes depending on my emotions.

Advanced fursona...

@leviine - jump when I was dancing around the imaginary friend topic with my therapist they actually straight up mentioned furries

It's not really something I control, but I also don't really care about it.

Deviation is actually a very good sign that you are doing something right

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Assuming that deviation is not causing you distress of course

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then you're golden--tulpas are all you so unless you've got sadomasochistic problems, you won't get one that will hinder you

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er, to be clear

2:10 AM

I am saying that for blank and I, we consider us "us" or "me," just one head--but multiple personalities. The one head is what's important--so whatever's healthiest is what we'll do together

Me with sadomasochistic ‘problems’ Is this why Error is always an asshole to me? Oh fuck

Rusty

Me with sadomasochistic ‘problems’ Is this why Error is always an asshole to me? Oh fuck

I was more thinking of "mm mm master" guy

but that is secret lore now that that thread has been deleted

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Oh god I remember them

blanka

I am saying that for blank and I, we consider us "us" or "me," just one head--but multiple personalities. The one head is what's important--so whatever's healthiest is what we'll do together

We're kind of the same. We just choose to disregard 'parts' language and consider each other distinct individuals.

2:11 AM

You can be sides of the same coin while also being individuals, not a lot of people get that.

Hell, I struggle with that

We're just a group of people who are trying to navigate university hell together

2:13 AM

earlier on it was highschool hell

If someone acts too similar to me I immediately go into doubt mode, you’d think after 6 years that would be gone by now but nope. Gotta have my regular ‘none of this is real’ session with Error just sitting there irritated with me waiting for me to knock it off

It's honestly kind of hard to think about. We're individuals. That's all there is to it. Whether or not we're connected at some fundamental level like an alter-ego or persona, or part, or whatever doesn't matter.

2:15 AM

We've been plural for pretty much our entire high school life, and will be going on to university and beyond as a system.

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I never plan to do anything to undo this. I'm happy.

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Pretty much

Yeah, that's about it

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you got the basics :) all I'd add is "categorize responses back as responses as you please" but that's all I'd add

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yeah lol

There are a few common mistakes people make with vocality but honestly doesn’t even think about it unless you actually struggle. No reason to add more worries to it.

2:18 AM

The one misconception I feel like is very important is that a tulpa is likely not going to sound ‘alien’. It’s going to have the same mind voice as you and that will change later. A lot of people end up ignoring their tulpa’s responses because they label it as just themselves since they are expecting a different voice

Rusty

The one misconception I feel like is very important is that a tulpa is likely not going to sound ‘alien’. It’s going to have the same mind voice as you and that will change later. A lot of people end up ignoring their tulpa’s responses because they label it as just themselves since they are expecting a different voice

yup, it took a while before I started feeling distinct vs inner thoughts from blank

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remember that you intentionally decide whether or not it's them talking or it's just you thinking

2:20 AM

if you can't decide, just say "fuck it it'll become automatic eventually" and bam you're golden

over time it has a different feeling to it than you thinking afaik

Ravenmoor ↩️

Reply to: I'm not expecting a different voice, but I just think it'd be tough having to go "Fuck, is that them…

Tulpas have a presence attached to them, or a ‘vibe’. Think of any person and you get a certain feeling attached to them. A tulpa will develop this to and that presence will be attached to their thoughts. So while you may sound the same, you don’t feel the same.

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good luck! Have fun! And when you get responses, Leiko is right, it's definitely good to help/let them socialize, because input from other people can be very enriching to a tulpa

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even if you don't end up with a tulpa, I think tulpamancy has a lot of good meditation techniques that are useful day-to-day :)

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about to head to sleep, but do remember--consistency >> intensity. One two hour session is definitely a great start, but doing it for just 30 minutes a day is still progress :) I'm looking forwards to hearing more of how it goes for you!

oh yeah this will probably take a week or two to start feeling normal

its different for each person

4:36 AM

i got vocality day 1

Yeah, our first tulpa became vocal after a couple days

Honestly, as long as you don't doubt yourself, you should see results soon.

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Tewi: Just remember the part of "talking to yourself" that creates a tulpa over time is the intent for there to be someone you're talking to, and the expectation that they want to respond (edited)

5:50 AM

Just talking to yourself does not create a tulpa. But, "just" doing the above does.

5:51 AM

It kind of is that simple as long as that intent/expectation is going on right, which is why so many people say guides aren't necessary.

5:55 AM

And I would say, pick possession or switching (or neither) later on based on what you want to experience. Possession is letting your tulpa control part (or all) of your body, ie to type on their own or to.. I guess share partial control back-and-forth of the body, but without your own sense of self changing whatsoever. While switching, is switching places with your tulpa entirely, so that they temporarily become "the human" for all intents and purposes - they're the one "in the driver's seat" of the brain's consciousness, they're the one with control/final say over thoughts, they're the one fully plugged into the body's senses and experiencing life. And for the duration, you are equivalent to a tulpa/how they normally are.

5:57 AM

Switching has been super fulfilling for us, while we still consider it our host's body and identity-wise his life, we otherwise consider ourselves to share this life, and we work together in a lot of ways to improve it (or help each other).

5:58 AM

Tewi: But, you can choose not to do either if you're not comfortable or interested in them. Opinions on not being open to possession or switching are similar to opinions on dissipation, they vary a lot from person to person. (Though dissipation is more extreme of course) (edited)

Rusty

Right now you are thinking of letting some random thing control your body, that’s not how it would be. They would be someone you spend hours with every day and know everything about them. You know each others every emotion and thought, it’s a very different relationship than someone outside of your system. So loosing control to give it to them is not just throwing away all everything, it’s just giving control to another part of yourself.

Still want to echo what Rusty said here though

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Tewi: Basically yes. There's some nuance in trying to explain it, it could easily come off as "Just believe you're having the experience and there you go!", but it's actually "Just believe you're having the experience, and over time your brain will start to actually create it" (edited)

6:05 AM

Suffice to say, ideas, beliefs, and opinions on a purely-subjective-mental-phenomenon vary greatly.

6:06 AM

The base ability for your brain to meaningfully simulate another person in your head when you really practice it though, is universal.

5 hours is good, but just remember that consistency beats intensity

7:24 AM

try not to burn yourself out, this is a process that takes from weeks to months and lasts from years to decades

If I can effectively cram in more time to talk to myself in any given hour, it's not really progress in the same sense most peop...

@Ravenmoor - jump it’s interesting that you call it “talking to myself”. as long as you treat it like that… that’s what you will get. you will be talking to yourself, not to your tulpa

Can anyone name a truly novel approach to tulpamancy found in the last few years? Like something that completely changed the state of the art.

well, i’ve been trying to promote mindset and approach to tulpamancy that met a lot of resistance because it is not an approach people in the community have, but it helped a lot of people get really quick results i come from the other side - i’ve been treated for did, so my efforts are the opposite of tulpamancy, which gave me perspective on things that people in the community usually don’t have

Is it written down in any format but discord messages?

no

9:54 AM

i am a bit anti-guides

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i ron’t see much value in it

9:55 AM

tulpamancy is an intrasocial practice, so i just talk to people when i try to help them because lewrning about it whoulr be social on my view

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i know it’s not practical in scale

Right so praytell, what happens to your research when discord fails to raise investor funding, cannot continue to operate and goes away?

well, as i said i just talk to people, i don’t send them links to messages

9:58 AM

see, there are a few reasons why i’m not a fan of guides

9:59 AM

one of them that realtes to this conversation is that everyone is different and needs a tailored approach, while the guide is tailored just to one person: the author